Sandy Simpson: The New Apostolic Reformation

November 6, 2011

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. – 2 Corinthians 11:13

Sandy Simpson, of the Apologetics Coordination Team, joins me to discuss the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Sandy runs Deception in the Church, an extensive library of resources on the NAR and related movements and organizations.

I would appreciate feedback, along with questions about this subject. Sandy has graciously agreed to the possibility of a follow-up interview, possibly late in 2012, and I would love to have listener questions to use in such an interview.

An Outline of the Discussion
  • Sandy begins by describing his initial encounter with the New Apostolic Reformation while working as a missionary in Guam, which led him to investigate their movement.
  • The NAR teaches that there are foundational Apostles today that are equal to, if not greater than, the original twelve Apostles of the first century.
  • They teach that there is a transferrable impartation. The Holy Spirit can be imparted upon individuals by NAR “apostles”.
  • Sandy sees links between NAR, Emergent, and “Church Growth”; all coming out of Fuller Theological Seminary.
  • NAR puts together large-scale prayer meetings to lure in orthodox Christians to their methods and teachings.
  • NAR and Word-of-Faith come from the same roots, and have many similarities.
  • NAR seeks to take over the government, and Sandy asks what the difference is between “Christian Fascism” and “Islamic Fascism”?
  • Sandy asserts that NAR denies some of the fundamental, core doctrines of Christianity. This places them within the definition of a cult movement. Core doctrines that they deny include: the Trinity; the divinity and personhood of Christ (hypostatic union); salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone; the supremacy of Scripture in all matters of faith and practice; the fact that Christ is going to return bodily to judge and rule the Earth (dominionism requires us to conquer the Earth before He returns).
  • We discuss the prophetic element of NAR. The movement rarely references scripture, favoring instead “new revelation”. When they give prophesy over someone, they often just puff up the person they are supposedly prophesying over.
  • “Slain in the Spirit” is a practice that is common in the NAR. It was picked up by William Branham on a trip to India, and is just a repackaged version of the Hindu practice of shakti-pat.
  • Sandy explains the practice of diaprax, which is in use by various groups and forces hostile to Christianity. It pits a thesis against an anti-thesis. The two battle, eventually merging into a synthesis.
  • Scandals and immoral behavior often follow false teachers.
  • I ask Sandy to give his thoughts on a few of the players. Specifically I asked about Dutch Sheets, Rick Joyner, and Mike Bickel.
  • NAR has a practice called “Prayer Walking” by which they supposedly cast out territorial demons.
  • The NAR has many similarities to the ancient gnostics. Namely, they place heavy emphasis on special knowledge (new revelation), and attempts to create a “higher order” of Christianity/Spirituality.
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    9 Responses to “Sandy Simpson: The New Apostolic Reformation”

  1. By M'Kayla on Nov 10, 2011

    Hi. I’d like to link this to my blog to share with others. I came out of “charismania” from healing rooms, the false prophetic, dreams and visions and now do what I can to warn about this apostasy.

    Thank you both for the work you do.
    Blessings in Christ Jesus

  2. By Joanne Paluzzi on Nov 12, 2011

    Thank you for this podcast. I came out of a church where I have seen the influences that this movement has over many friends and even myself…I was sure at one time that this was part of God`s plan. I want to spread the word of warning to those that I know who are sold out to this false doctrine. There is so much to take in and so much diligent studying of the Word to do beforehand. Your website and this resource is a great start.

  3. By Andy Olson on Nov 13, 2011

    Thank you both. I appreciate the kind words, encouragement, and the exposure via the link.

    Soli Deo Gloira,

  4. By Arwen4CJ on Nov 19, 2011

    My last comment wouldn’t post, so let me try this again:
    1.) What does he think of Graham Cooke
    2.) What does he think about gold dust
    3.) What does he think about Bill Johnson
    4.) What does he think about the possibility of these false prophets using the “fire down from heaven” incident from when Elijah confronted the false prophets, and using that as “proof” that they are real apostles. (In Revelation it says that the false prophet of the Anti-Christ will deceive people by causing fire to fall from heaven.

  5. By Andy Olson on Nov 19, 2011

    Comment moderation is in use to filter out spam and “trolls”. First-time commentors won’t see their comments until approved. Now that you’ve been approved, future comments should appear immediately.

    Thanks for the questions.

  6. By Arwen4CJ on Nov 20, 2011

    No — I mean I got a message that said that my first message didn’t go through at all. It said something like I didn’t have java or something, which I do. Thanks for clarification about the moderated comments, though.

    The reason I’d like to hear about Graham Cooke is because some of my friends who are into NAR really like him, and I think Graham Cooke is really dangerous. From what I’ve seen of him, he seems to be false, but there is hardly anything that exposes him online.

    The gold dust thing is another big thing among the NAR crowd. I think it’s a false sign and wonder — something that is probably from a demonic source.

    People in NAR love Bill Johnson, Heidi Baker, etc.

    People in NAR are also really into being modern day prophets. I just wanted to know the guy’s thoughts about the fire from heaven thing.

  7. By kris on Nov 29, 2011

    Could anyone explain who and what people believe re Jesus coming back in a space ship?? Is is Gnosticism??

  8. By Andy Olson on Nov 29, 2011


    I’ve never heard anyone teach that Jesus will come back in a spaceship. It sounds like something a strange, fringe cult would teach. It certainly isn’t taught in the Scriptures.

    Gnosticism takes many forms, but generally teaches that some kind of special knowledge is necessary for salvation and/or spiritual maturity. The term comes from the Greek “gnosis” which means “knowledge”. If a person or group teaches that you must believe something that is not found in Scripture (in addition to Scripture), then know it or not, they are probably practicing a form of Gnosticism. When it comes to the NAR, they encourage special knowledge in the form of “prophecy”.


  9. By Paul Powers on Dec 6, 2011

    Howdy, I hope you read this, but I felt I should pass on some information I know, from personal interaction. The Sentinel Group was mentioned, and I know for a fact it’s doing away with that name and has adopted another. Glow Torch is the new name( I have, unfortunately, unknowingly have had contact directly with this group, and see the unbiblical foundation they are.

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